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InsanityVonMike wrote:

Well those components were in a computer packet. It's quite cheap and can take the newest games. However, I heard that I could need some extra fans for this particular computer so it would be greatly appreciated if you helped me with that instead

1st thing u need to know, hot air rises and most probably being pumped out by the psu first. From what I've feel, 2-3 casing fan is ample. Take for example a 120mm fan in the front panel with wire mesh/fan grill pump will air in, you can have 1 80mm fan at the back near the I/O plate so that the air that passes through the cpu fan gets pumped out. You can also get ATI cards with non reference design which pumps air out instead of throwing the hot air in the case. Most probably you will get HIS cards for its factory overclocked and its brilliant cooler. If you wanna speed up the cycle, u can always throw in more fan in the front panel and the back. For cpu fan, get those with more heatpipes or pure copper heatsink. The design of the cpu fan must be able to direct the air to the back of the case, not dispersing it. Also make sure to side cover of the casing is covered as most likely to find holes there as it will destroy the air cycle. Unless you have place a case fan near the cpu fan on the side cover to speed up the cycle, seal it up.

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So if I bought:

1 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=330802

2 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=319310

3 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=316478

What would the result be?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

So if I bought:

1 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=330802

2 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=319310

3 of these: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=316478

What would the result be?

1)The zalman vga cooler will dump the hot air back into the case.
2)CPU and casing fan not an issue.
however :
I dont think you need a zalman vga cooler if you use HIS card or 4870 reference fan and onwards. Idle for HIS is around 50+- degrees.

Secondly, zalman CNPS9700 is undeniably good but im not the fan of it price.

My go :

CPU fan
Scythe Kantana 2 - http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=335080
ASUS Silent Knight II - http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=343076
Xigmatek Achilles S1284 - http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=393520

GPU :
XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB "xXx" GDDR5 - http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=447807
HIS Radeon HD 4890 1GB GDDR5 - http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=444795

Conclusion -> Can be improved. little value in choosen cpu cooler, Zalman = overprice unless you're a zalman fanboy.

Others :

Casing fan dosnt matter much, just need to know that the air inside is constantly being cycled is good enough. Hope you get what i mean.

DX11 ATI cards coming out during july, i advise you to go for cheaper solutions as u might consider to change graphic card soon.

Well the fact that I'm about to buy a Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 and all the other components is already settled. However, I believe that the computer will easily get hot (I need it really cool) and become noisy - That's the problem.

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Well the fact that I'm about to buy a Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 and all the other components is already settled. However, I believe that the computer will easily get hot (I need it really cool) and become noisy - That's the problem.

4850X2 or in crossfire? from what i believe, if u dont have an aluminium casing, stick with cooler which fan exhaust the heat out of the casing. By having another additional fan facing the card/s will allow more air molecules to come in contact with heatsink hence allowing heat to be exhale out at a faster rate. This zalman fan will most likely to be warmer as warm air will clot the area first before it rises to the top. Its like recycling warmed air.

No it's not crossfire, it just got the name 'cause it's as good as two cards. And I'm saying it again... this is a computer packet and pretty happy about. The question is if I need more fans to keep it quiet and cool (and if I got the space for it). And I'm not a zalman fan ^^

InsanityVonMike wrote:

No it's not crossfire, it just got the name 'cause it's as good as two cards. And I'm saying it again... this is a computer packet and pretty happy about. The question is if I need more fans to keep it quiet and cool (and if I got the space for it). And I'm not a zalman fan ^^

Just say HD4850X2 or HD 4850 x2, i didnt understand cause u were switching in each post >.> For i dont recommend HD4850X2 but if u insist, the only way is to get super cool -> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125240 Able to reach 40+- idle. or the best u can do is place a fan directly in front of the graphic card but i cannot assure it can really keep cool.(FME only - a couple of degree)
Asus have a 4870X2 with tri-fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121294 but i can say it totally destroy the airflow int he case.

Sapphire Radeon HD 4850X2 1GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, HDCP, Full-Retail

But shouldn't an already pre-made computer packet handle some heat?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Sapphire Radeon HD 4850X2 1GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, HDCP, Full-Retail

But shouldn't an already pre-made computer packet handle some heat?

After looking at some reviews, the heat level is acceptable. But as i said, heat may slowly clot up if warm air is not being exhaust fast enough, so it may be higher after some time. Another thing is that this card will have audible noise when under load. I suggest u get a HD4890

3DMark Vantage Extreme(benchmark @ extreme settings)

Reference HD4890
coreclocked :850MHz
memory clocked :975 MHz
GDDR5:1024MB

GPU benchmark of 4640
-----------------------------------
Sapphire HD 4850X2
coreclocked :625MHz
memory clocked :993MHz
GDDR3:2047MB

GPU benchmark of 5520

Source :
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4890,2262-12.html
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-hd-4850x2-first-look--tested/6157.html?doc=6157

I did some research to aid u to find your ideal card, hope this does help you. Remember that the 4890 is less hot, consume less power and still a reference design. Not to mention the price...

You said "when under load". So by that, if you bought a good extra fan, it would suddenly turn quiet?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

You said "when under load". So by that, if you bought a good extra fan, it would suddenly turn quiet?

More load => more heat => fan works harder => more noise
1 question, where do you place the extra fan to reduce the heat? The heat is being spread around the card, not 1 way. You can imagine your HD4850X2 in your casing and try to use the convection theory on how to place your fan to maximize heat diverting. If you even suceed doing it, there will be less noise as the fan do not need to work so hard to keep your gpu cool. In additional, your extra fan may add to the noise. Answer : No, it wont suddenly turn quiet as you are at most be able to cut off a few degrees.

Trust me, you will regret buying that. Many people are having headache trying too sell off their HD4xxxX2.

Hm... you're probably right... unfortunately. I'll continue my quest for a better and still cheap computer...

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Hm... you're probably right... unfortunately. I'll continue my quest for a better and still cheap computer...

Gd luck, for any enquires, you can post it here.
My sudden comeback in geekpolice is by the request of doctor inferno so to help out the hardware section.

What about this one?

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower, black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Seasonic M12-II PSU 500W, 120mm Fan, Modular Cables, 80Plus, PCI-E 6+2 1x
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L, P45, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2,33GHz, Socket 775, 4MB, 1333MHz, Boxed w/Fan
Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's
MSI GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "OC" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 55nm
Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB SATA2 32MB 7200RPM
Sony NEC Optiarc DVD±RW burner AD-5200A, DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW, OEM, IDE, Black
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

InsanityVonMike wrote:

What about this one?

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower, black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Seasonic M12-II PSU 500W, 120mm Fan, Modular Cables, 80Plus, PCI-E 6+2 1x
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L, P45, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2,33GHz, Socket 775, 4MB, 1333MHz, Boxed w/Fan
Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's
MSI GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "OC" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 55nm
Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB SATA2 32MB 7200RPM
Sony NEC Optiarc DVD±RW burner AD-5200A, DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW, OEM, IDE, Black
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Im fine with the psu but the graphic card is not worthy as its not core 216.
If you wanna use MATX, theres some AMD 790 chipset MATX which i will recommend DFI lanparty JR series. Its only cost afew dollars more then Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L and you get a crossfire board with 2 x pcie2.0 @x8speed equivalent to 2 x PCIE1.0x16 @x16speed, not much loss of speed.
Phenom 2 920 and 940 > Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 (3dMark06 source:http://www.legitreviews.com/article/896/11/) and only cost afew dollars more but much better overclocking ability.
My recommendation only cost afew bucks more but you will get better results in playing modern games. Remember to get a higher wattage PSU if u intent to SLI or Xfire in the future, PSU is also a investment so think thrice. Im fine with the rest as it is most likely to be a personal preference.

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MSI GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "OC" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 55nm

InsanityVonMike wrote:

MSI GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "OC" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 55nm

opps! my bad, i thought the non-OCed version dosnt have core 216. However, the performance wise still lose to HD4890 alone, not to mention acceleration of the amd chipset. Peace to Nvidia lovers, just stating the truth.

So how will the GTX 260 Core 216 run on Crysis, Farcry 2 and assassin's creed? (also compared to the hd4890 as you are talking about)

InsanityVonMike wrote:

So how will the GTX 260 Core 216 run on Crysis, Farcry 2 and assassin's creed? (also compared to the hd4890 as you are talking about)

It even perform better than the 260 on some games that PhysX compatible which the nvidia will gain some advantage.

Source taken from http://benchmarkreviews.com/

True but that's not the core 216 is it?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

True but that's not the core 216 is it?

Video Card Test Products
Product Series NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Reference Design Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 102-B50102-00-AT NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260216 Reference Design Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 102-B50701-10-AT ASUS Radeon HD 4890 EAH4890 TOP ASUS GeForce GTX 285 ENGTX285 TOP Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 X2 Atomic ST-6026 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 Reference Design
Stream Processors 112 800 216 800 800 240 1600 480
Core Clock (MHz) 600 625 576 750 900 670 800 576
Shader Clock (MHz) 1457 N/A 1242 N/A N/A 1550 N/A 1242
Memory Clock (MHz) 950 993 999 900 975 1300 1000 999
Memory Amount 512 MB GDDR3 512 MB GDDR3 896 MB GDDR3

512 MB GDDR5
896 MB GDDR3 1024 MB GDDR3 1024MB (x2) GDDR5 1024MB (x2) GDDR3
Memory Interface 256-bit 256-bit 448-bit 256-bit 256-bit 512-bit 256-bit 512-bit

Yes, it is core 216 http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=4

How does MSI differ to the XFX?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

How does MSI differ to the XFX?

People said that XFX has better temperature as i think might be the cause of the same concept behind HIS/ATI4870^ Reference designs. XFX also have the xXx edition which are extremely factory overclocked.

Well I'm not super rich. Let's say I buy the MSI GTX 260 Core 216... will it lag on highest settings when you run games like crysis? Also, what will the temperature be?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Well I'm not super rich. Let's say I buy the MSI GTX 260 Core 216... will it lag on highest settings when you run games like crysis? Also, what will the temperature be?

Well, in lower resolutions, u may be able to play crysis in high settings(not ultra)without AA with no problem, any higher resolution may only barely made it through. (our eyes only can see 25fps)(Barely made it through = 30-40fps). Refer to the table.

Temperature should also be fine 50+- at idle and 60+- on load. Fan will most likely to be inaudible.

Hm... I don't like the price but what about this one?

NZXT HUSH, Black Aluminum Front, 2X Blue LED Fans, Screwless design,(Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 750W Black, ATX Bulk, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
(2x) XFX GeForce 9800GT 670M 512MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "XXX", 2xDVI, HDCP, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 670/1950MHz
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz, Socket LGA775, 6MB, 1333Mhz BOXED w/fan
Kingston DDR2 HyperX PC8500 4096MB CL7, Kit 2x matched HyperX 2GB DDR2
Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI, Socket-775, ATX,Firewire,GbLAN,DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)16
Western Digital Caviar GreenPower 1TB, Sata 3 Gb/s, 32MB Cache
Sony NEC Optiarc DVD±RW burner AD-5200A, DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW, OEM, IDE, Black
Creative Headset HS600 adjustable headset with Mic and volumecontrol
Powercable 2m
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Tell me about the temperature, sound and how well it will go on ulta high settings. And yes, that's two video cards.

And I really appreciate your effort btw

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Hm... I don't like the price but what about this one?

NZXT HUSH, Black Aluminum Front, 2X Blue LED Fans, Screwless design,(Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 750W Black, ATX Bulk, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
(2x) XFX GeForce 9800GT 670M 512MB PhysX CUDA, PCI-Express 2.0, "XXX", 2xDVI, HDCP, Graphics Plus, 3D Stereo, 670/1950MHz
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz, Socket LGA775, 6MB, 1333Mhz BOXED w/fan
Kingston DDR2 HyperX PC8500 4096MB CL7, Kit 2x matched HyperX 2GB DDR2
Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI, Socket-775, ATX,Firewire,GbLAN,DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)16
Western Digital Caviar GreenPower 1TB, Sata 3 Gb/s, 32MB Cache
Sony NEC Optiarc DVD±RW burner AD-5200A, DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW, OEM, IDE, Black
Creative Headset HS600 Justerbart headset Med Mic och volymkontroll
Powercable 2m
Antistatic Armchain 180cm


Tell me about the temperature, sound and how well it will go on ulta high settings. And yes, that's two video cards.

1)Price of 2 x 9800GT = 1 x 260(core 216), rather u get 1 x 216 so u can SLI with another GTX2xx series card.
2)Your motherboard support up to DDR2-PC6400 only, getting a PC8500 and CL7 ram is totally overkill.
3)Get a sata DVD burner instead, IDE cable block airflow.
4)Get HX series of cosair instead, TX series isnt modular nor u need so much of power.(Thumbs up to Cosair HX620)

2X9800GT SLI may beat a single GTX260 by in crysis, but others shows that the GTX260 stays as the winner. In conclusion, its not worth SLI cause u need to have the card of same series to setup a SLI. Which means u cant SLI and 9800GT with any of the GTX2xx. Unlike buying a GTX260, you can SLI with any of the current cards, GTX260, 275, 280, 285, 295.

Well as said before, those were the packets... however, it would be very very appreciated if you tried to create a computer for me here: http://jmedata.se/CBC.aspx?q=c:100158 try to keep the price below 9000sek if possible

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Well as said before, those were the packets... however, it would be very very appreciated if you tried to create a computer for me here: http://jmedata.se/CBC.aspx?q=c:100158 try to keep the price below 9000sek if possible

I'll try, cant really read it.. lol

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Well as said before, those were the packets... however, it would be very very appreciated if you tried to create a computer for me here: http://jmedata.se/CBC.aspx?q=c:100158 try to keep the price below 9000sek if possible

Choose : Red or Green

ill try newegg

blue if possible

EDIT: uhh we could need a chat for this... do you have msn or something alike?

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InsanityVonMike wrote:

blue if possible

red = ati setup
green = nvidia setup
-.-

haha lol i thought you meant the case.. nvidia or ati - doesn't matter too much

LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model GH22LS30

LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

XFX GX260NADFF GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory(CL5)

EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI FTW ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400

ZALMAN CNPS9900LED 120mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard DriveKensington 62630 3 feet 6 Outlets 70 joules Power Surge Protector

This is Nvidia setup, Should be around 1000-1100USD = 800-900sek

Able to play smoothly on high setting setting in low resolution without AA. Low heat and noise.

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And how will this run on crysis maximum settings? temperature? sound?

LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive

Foxconn A79A-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard

HIS Hightech H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

Seventeam ST-850ZAF 850W ATX 12V V2.2 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996599

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX

ZALMAN CNPS9900LED 120mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

ATI Setup - Should be around 1100+USD = 900sek

Crysis plays smoothly in high setting and a higher resolution with AA on. Low in heat and noise. 4 way Crossfire

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Are those components actually from jme data? and btw, you are able to send the url with the exact specifications you chose.

InsanityVonMike wrote:

Are those components actually from jme data? and btw, you are able to send the url with the exact specifications you chose.

i cant read the words in jme, but i believe all these is found there, i aready converted the current from USD back to SEK.

Or else u can find identical specs from different brand.

Time to hit the hay, post here for enquirers, will reply tmr.

I checked this review and according to them, the Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 1GB doesn't make that much noise: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYzMSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I also doubt that they would ever publish the video card if it didn't work properly. So regardless the effort you spent on this, we're back on square one. Does the Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 1GB take the latest games on max settings?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

I checked this review and according to them, the Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 1GB doesn't make that much noise: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYzMSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I also doubt that they would ever publish the video card if it didn't work properly. So regardless the effort you spent on this, we're back on square one. Does the Sapphire Radeon 4850 X2 1GB take the latest games on max settings?

Answer : not really, depends on that game if it support multi GPU. It not, it will work like a reference 4850. As i said, i can assure this graphic card is hot after awhile. Let me quote from the side

The cooling devices on these video cards work well. It can even be said that they work equally well to dissipate the heat generated by the devices they are designed to protect. However, due to the design of the cooling device and nature of plastic as an inefficient heat conductor, and aluminum as a very efficient heat conductor, more of the heat generated by the AMD Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 will be exhausted out of the case before it has a chance to heat up the ambient temperature of the case. So, the addition of the 2 extra DVI ports and the elimination of the thermal exhaust port will cause the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 X2 to increase the ambient temperature of your case more than the other two video cards we looked at today.

That website didnt stats the noise issues but it did here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/01/23/sapphire-ati-radeon-hd-4850-x2-2gb/15

The other major disappointment for us with the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 X2 is the noise it makes – it’s far too loud for a modern graphics card and we have moved away from the whiney fans of the early naughties. Sadly, the two fans on the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 X2 just make us want to jam a couple of pencils in them to shut them up – they verge on offensively loud if we’re honest and to add insult to injury, there’s no fan speed control available in any of the monitoring software we’ve tried so far.

So if u insist i cant comment much, i just think that it still a fail product.

I agree on every single point. But if I don't pick one of these cheap packets I will have to build one piece by piece.

Maybe you're able to install water cooling? And besides, how well does this case exhaust the hot air? http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=369483&view=detailed#ProductTabs

InsanityVonMike wrote:

I agree on every single point. But if I don't pick one of these cheap packets I will have to build one piece by piece.

Maybe you're able to install water cooling? And besides, how well does this case exhaust the hot air? http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=369483&view=detailed#ProductTabs

Why not just get a HD4770 which is coming out soon and change to a directX11 card when july comes.

as said before... the radeon remains in packet and I can't change that. Do you suggest me to sell it after I buy it?

InsanityVonMike wrote:

as said before... the radeon remains in packet and I can't change that. Do you suggest me to sell it after I buy it?

yes, sell your old card to buy a new one, i dont think anybody would want a 4850X2 but im sure there will be people buying HD4770.

Buying a HD4850X2 will only last you 3 months and the new series of graphic cards would be out.

Check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO5hxALNrew It's really not that bad if you ask me